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Obligatory Political Post

So this is likely to be my last political post for quite a while. I don't intend to stop posting in general, but I just don't have it in me to invest time or energy arguing over all this crap.

So yeah, I'm highly disappointed in the majority of the country right now. Not just those that voted for Bush, but those that didn't bother to vote at all.

So far not one single person has been able to adequately explain to me how all of his various hypocritical statements leave them with any shred of trust in the man.

On the one hand he's anti-abortion, pro-life, etc... Fine, but then it's ok to go to war and kill thousands of innocent people (i.e. collateral damage) in order to "protect" us from an enemy who was thiiiiiiis close to unleashing armageddon on us through nu-cue-lar and other WMDs... except that our terrible enemy didn't actually have much of any WMDs and he couldn't even make any (and those are the official conclusions that the administration came up with). Sure he could buy some, but there are lots and lots of countries in the world who could buy them too (and there are probably more that want to now)

So, actually we really went to war to "liberate" the people of Iraq (from their oil perhaps). Except that golly, they don't really seem to want us there. Clearly they're ungreatful heathen bastards who deserve to die so that we can feel safe. Except that it seems like every day Iraqi freedom fighters (what would you call people who were trying to fight against a foreign millitary force that invaded their country?) kill yet more of our soldiers and that seems to be ok with everyone, because we're wining the war on terror (not entirely sure how that works).

Ugh, I'm rambling. I wasn't going to do a post election post because I know a lot of conservative people and a lot of liberal people and I didn't really want to piss anyone off, but you know what? I'm sick and tired of people talking about how "the people have spoken" You know what? The people are fucking idiots who enjoy self-lobotomizing themselves in front of the TV day after day, realty show after reality show. The people couldn't be bothered to pick up a book to read unless Oprah tells them it's good and even then they wish there were audio cliff's notes for the books in question. So, don't talk to me about some great, noble mandate from the people. The people are graudally eating themselves into their graves and making this the most grossly overweight country in the world. In short, the people don't give a shit about themselves and I doubt they give a shit about anyone else, so any mandate from the people, is laughable at best (and in my mind this election just proves it).

Now, don't get me wrong, our system is setup to allow the people to vote for the person who gets to be in charge every four years and I respect the general concept of democracy. I just don't respect the people who are doing the voting. Now, the reason why the people don't have a shred of my respect anymore is simple.

The people re-elected George W. Bush based on lies and half truths (and I'm being generous calling them half truths).

Why do I believe this? Well, I'll happilly, no gleefully tell you why.

  • Gay Marriage: I was brought up Catholic, so I know a little something about religion and I have my own feelings on the matter. However, I know for a fact that most Christian faiths preach a doctrine of peace and forgiveness. YOU are not qualified to judge your neighbor or to judge their way of life right or wrong, unless that way of life negatively impacts an unwilling third party (if they're willing it's ok). Now by negatively impacts we're not talking about annoys you, or makes you feel like a loser, or even creeps you out a bit, no, we're talking about things like death, dismemberment and serious emotional harm. So where the fuck do all these moral people get off saying anything about who anyone else fucks? Oh, it's in the bible, right... men who lay with men are going to hell blah blah blah. You know, the bible says a lot of things that we don't hold on too anymore. Hell the Bible says that human sacrifice is a-ok if God tells you to do it (and you know how chatty God is with all those backwards hillbillies out there). So, the whole "Jay-sus says homos are bad" arguement is a bit thin I think.

    Ok, so if you're a good moral Christian, you're more or less supposed to be good to your fellow man, respect and honor God (generally interpreted to mean give the church money) and try to lead a good life that will get you into heaven.

    Where in all of that does it say that you have to preserve the sanctity of marriage Mr. President? While you're pondering that, tell me why you need to preserve the sanctity of something in the Constitution? Have you read Mr. Webster's famous book? The dictionary? Hmmm never mind, you don't read (newspapers at least), it's possible you haven't come across one. Here, let me point something out:

    sanc·ti·ty (n. pl. sanc·ti·ties) - 1. Holiness of life or disposition; saintliness. 2. The quality or condition of being considered sacred; inviolability. 3. Something considered sacred.

    sa·cred (adj) - 1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. 2. Worthy of religious veneration: the sacred teachings of the Buddha. 3. Made or declared holy: sacred bread and wine. 4. Dedicated or devoted exclusively to a single use, purpose, or person: sacred to the memory of her sister; a private office sacred to the President. 5. Worthy of respect; venerable. 6. Of or relating to religious objects, rites, or practices.

    Now, this part you should be familiar with Mr. President. You said it once before and you'll be saying it again in a couple of months, The Presidential Oath of Office

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    and finally, one ammendment that religious folks are quite fond of

    Constitution of the United States: Amendment I

    [Freedom of religion, speech, of the press, and right of petition.]

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    So to answer the gay marriage question. It seems fairly straightforward to me. It's morally wrong to involve yourself in that aspect of someone's life and trying to force a Constitutional Ammendment to preserve the sanctity of marriage is unconstitutional and it's something the president swore he wouldn't do.

  • Abortion / Going to War - It's bad bad bad to kill poor innocent unborn babies, but it's ok to kill people who have been alive for a while. I won't touch the death penalty arguement becuase it's too easy for folks to argue that all people who get the death penalty deserve it (even though that's a stupid and false arguement), but you cannot claim that every single person who has died in Iraq (or in any armed conflict) has "deserved" to die. Not only that, but if you do try to make that claim, you're violating one of the basic Christian tenants in that your are judging that someone deserved to die, plus you're forgetting the ever popular (to cast aside) turn the other cheek admonishment. We'll go to the Bible for our stand on them damn homos, but ain't no one gonna mess with us, uh-huh. Tsk tsk tsk. This morality stuff is hard to keep straight isn't it?

  • Iraq vs Cuba vs North Korea vs China vs _________ - If you look around the world there are dozens of countries that hate the US. There are dozens of counties that have enough money to bankroll efforts against us (remember Afghanistan doesn't really have anything except places to hide and dirt). North Korea has actually developed nu-cue-lar weapons. They admit to having them, we don't need to wonder if they do or don't. China has one of the worst human rights records in history (although we're making strides to catch up)... there are also more of them that there are of us. Cuba has been behind a US sponsored embargo for over 40 years, but they pretty much only have beaches and we can get those from other countries.

    Iraq, didn't have WMDs and couldn't even buy them as easily as other countries could because they were under such close scrutiny (our own assessment of them says as much). Iraq had sanctions levied against it for 12 years but those weren't working (or so we claimed before we realized we were wrong... after we went to war). Saddam was evil and he hurt and abused the Iraqi people. Off the top of my head I pointed out four other countries who are worse and/or more credibly dangerous to the US than Iraq and yet one has Most Favored Trade status (becuase it's in our best interest to use cheap Chinese labor even if they're being used like slaves), one we are still negotiating with (because they actually could hurt us), and one we're pretty much just waiting until their leader dies.... of old age.

    You know the one thing that Iraq has that the other's don't? Oil.

    You know which one we invaded and went to "war" with? Hmmm.. funny that.

  • Absitnence Only Sex Education- Ok, folks, quick history and biology lesson. Teenagers are horny. Teenagers do stupid things. The Catholic church (and quite a few other Christian churches) have been trying to convince their followers to not have sex out of marriage for centuries it does not work. The Catholic church has actually tried to lie about how effective condoms are in third world countries in the hopes that people will stop having sex and you know what? It didn't work. People, by and large, are horny and they want to have sex. When people "found out" that condoms were only 50% effective, you know what happened? They stopped using them, after all, if you're poor and the odds are so bad, why bother right?

    Only teaching people about abstinence is the most stupid "educational" idea out there. People (especially teens) aren't going to stop having sex because you tell them that the only way to not have a baby/get sick is to not have sex. They're going to find some way of deluding themselves that "it won't happen to me" and they're going to keep right on fucking. Even when you teach people about all the forms of birth control out there they still find ways to not use them for one reason or another. If you conceal the truth about other birth control options, the only thing you're doing is making sure that even more kids who have sex are going to have sex without using any form of protection. If you really think that kids won't have sex because you "taught" them that they should abstain from it you are a complete idiot.

    Not only that, but I feel that this shows us how the administration wants to handle information. Namely, "we'll tell you what we think you need to know" and that goes against my very nature as an inquisitive person. I want all the information so that I can make my own damn decisions. Trying to control information is a favorite trick of totalitarian and communist governments (e.g. China). The only reason why I can see for not giving people the full scoop on what their options are is because you know that the option you want them to pick isn't the one they're likely to pick. You're stacking the deck and trying to control people by controlling what they know and that is something I cannot accept or condone.

I could go on, believe me, I could really go on, but those are the main points that have been floating around in my head the last couple of days.

I hate that so many "moral" people seem to just not care that the guy they picked is so immoral. I hate that we value "feeling" safe more highly than we value other people's lives (even if they are browner than you and far away). I hate that I feel more alienated from my fellow Americans than I have since I was a teenager. I hate that I feel like people actually identify with Bush because I find him utterly loathsome.

Anyways, I'm done. I've vented and while I could go on and on, I don't really care to anymore. I'm sad about what people in my country want but I will say this. I have no sympathy for anyone who voted for Bush and who ends up suffering under his administration. You picked him, now you deal with him.


Amen to that . (and that. and that...)

Not to be too ironic. ;-)

Re: Amen to that . (and that. and that...)


Thanks :)
hey, that's what I was gonna say! :-P

A poll today showed that 50% of democrats' reaction to Bush's re-election is fear. How sad is that. I'm not so much disappointed Kerry lost, I'm far more disappointed that so many people voted with their bible and not their minds...
dude they didn't even vote with their bible. They voted for what someone told them their bible said.
everything you said matches what's in my head, too.
(no surprise there, but...for what it's worth.)
(...well, aside from the being-raised-Catholic part. but i'm fairly familiar with the arguments from the Southern Baptist point of view...)
Wow... that is so much of what I wanted to say but the words didn't come to me like that. I'm linking you up! I'm truly almost speechless after reading this post. You are so articulate... wow... btw, please don't be mad at me ever... And remember, almost half of the country was with us, so it's not all lost yet...
Thanks, I really appreciate the kind words :).

Heh, and don't worry, it usually takes a lot to piss me off like that ;)
Well, according to mister georgie's platform, that first ammendment stuff is just a myth:


Free Exercise of Religion – The Party believes all Americans have the right to practice their religious faith free from persecution, intimidation, and violence. While recognizing one’s freedom from religion, this recognition should not limit others’ free expression of their religious beliefs. Our Party pledges to exert its influence to restore the original intent of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution and dispel the myth of the separation of Church and State. We support the right of individuals and state and local governments to display symbols of our faith and heritage. We call on Congress to sanction any country that is guilty of persecuting its citizens because of their religious beliefs.

Not sure what the national platform on that says, but even if it doesn't mention that I think Georgie still believes it.

See I don't entirely disagree with their interpretation of things, I just find it offensive that they think that only their brand of Christianity is an acceptable form of religion.

I find it particularly distasteful since the US has traditionally been a protestant country and being Catholic has always been somewhat frowned upon even though Catholicism and most major brands of christianity are so similar as to be practically identical (particularly when viewed next to things like buddhism and islam). From there, (for me at least) it's easy to see how Pagans, Hindus, and Atheists must feel even more put out since their religious beliefs are so much different than the typical Christian's religious beliefs.

If the holy rollers out there could bring themselves to accept all religions (and even the lack of them) as equally legitimate and right and it they could stand to give all religions equal time in the spotlight, then I could stand to see a little less seperation of church and state, but so long as

Religion = Protestant Christianity

then I want it to stay as far away from my government as possible.




thanks :)


I just went and shared your post with a friend, and thought I'd share their post with you.



Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you. You have no idea how incredible this post is, and how much I love you right now because of it. Do you mind if I add you? And refer people to this post?

By the way, I got to you from Raye *ZiggensDeb* Whom I will DEFINITELY say Thank You to. :)
Thanks, I appreciate you stopping by :)

Feel free to add me and refer folks to the post :)
Preach it. I'm completely stunned by the extreme polarization of America. It further annoys me that people in the middle of the nation, who will NEVER deal with the issues they voted against/for are deciding MY future.

You know, I think that is the one thing that most frustrates me about the political system today.

You have tons of people voting for things that don't affect them and then you have politicians being hell bent on pushing through policies that they'll never have to deal with.

How can an upper-class older white male (which constitutes a vast majority of the national political scene) know anything about abortion, welfare, minimum wage, social security benefits etc...? What do they care about prayer in school, or abstinence only education for kids? They throw out all this crap about doing things for the greater good and yet they're never the ones that have to live with what they come up with.
Vic, that was an amazing post. :)

I've often used the war vs. abortion agrument here at work (because most of the old white men here think that abortion should be punished by jail time and stonings) and the reason that I always here is "war is in our history!" for instance, the crusades. Yipes. You have to go back that many years to argue pro war and anti abortion?

I could go on and on (and on), but sadly I have work to do. :(
Well, if they wanna argue history... according to this abortion has ALSO been around since before the Crusades"


"Abortion induced by herbs or manipulation was used as a form of birth control in ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome and probably earlier. In the Middle Ages in Western Europe it was generally accepted in the early months of pregnancy. However, in the 19th cent. opinion about abortion changed. In 1869 the Roman Catholic Church prohibited abortion under any circumstances. In England and in the United States in the 19th cent. stringent antiabortion laws were passed."
Nicely put, apparently being a hypocrite is perfectly ok if you mean well and lie often. It's all perfectly understandable than.. Back on Wed. I didn't even want to leave the house, every person I saw on the road or at work looked to be 51% likely to approve of Bush and it creeped me out to think that they see this guy as perfectly acceptable because in some way that means they are just as capable of the same actions, if not worse. Slightly more then half this country believes hypocrisy is just fine, they believe that killing is ok if you can come up with an excuse and the accept greed as their major motivator for any action. Watch you backs my friends, there are little King Georges running around everywhere. Scarry isn't it?
Hi there, I kept trying to think of a good response to your comment, and I finally came across this:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
-H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

That day, has come.

More so than hypocracy or callouse disregard for human life, I think what really happened is that "the people" ultimately voted with their egos and they picked someone that they could relate to. They didn't vote for the better man, or the lesser of two evils, they voted for the guy that didn't make them feel bad for being ignorant and not really thinking about what they claim to believe.
I have to agree with Raye, here. You said so well what I truly feel. My first thought at the results of the election? Four more years of no hope. I still feel that.

I also feel that this man will propose a constitutional amendment, which will get passed by his now bigger majority in Congress and the Senate, that will allow for his third term.

First glance, you might say. "Great! We get our guy then." I of course mean Bill Clinton. But, rest assured that this amendment will apply to incumbents only, not formers. Ergo, our guy is out.

Next will be to make Christianity a law. Impossible? Yes, in the literal. However, making everything they find convenient in the damn Bible into law, one thing at a time, is going to be easy for them.

Like my good friend Vic, I could go on. But, I won't even attempt to steal the thunder from this post. It happens to be the best one I have read so far, post election.

Let me just finish by saying this...
Here is something that the Neo-Cons throw at me all the time... "This country was founded by Christian people."
History is written by the winners, conquerers, etc...
From where I and my ancestors stand, this country was invaded and stolen by Christian people.

I am terrified of the next few years.
"From where I and my ancestors stand, this country was invaded and stolen by Christian people. "

Mine too! Not only invaded, but very much accustomed to being lied to by US government.


Hi, Dragon V. You don't know me; I found this post by a series of strange random clicks (through debutantezig actually, who posted something interesting on my friend trishashine05's journal).

But - wow. You're incredibly articulate, and there are some strong arguments here. Do you mind if I add you as a friend, or at least put a link to this post on my journal, or even both? There is nothing of a political nature in my journal at the moment but that's not from lack of conviction, just lack of time (time to research things and put forward the kind of arguments that you just did here).

I'm Australian, by the way - I live in an inland town south of Perth. I'm very interested in the gay marriage argument you have written about, and how I could apply that to Australia - I vote in a state election soon, and that's supposedly a "key" issue (although compared to our health system it isn't, so I hope people don't really vote based on that).

Anyway this is getting long - all I really wanted to say is well done, that's an awesome post, and can I at least link it?



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Hi, thanks for the great comment and the kind words.

Feel free to link to the post and add me (I already went ahead and added you). I have more thoughts on what you wrote, but I've stayed up way too late already and I have work in a few hours so I can't write much right now :(